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Browsing Category Kodak Ektar II 25mm f/1.4

Tests and films with the Kodak Ektar II 25mm f/1.4 lens.

indiSYSTEM SNAP! Gear Cine Ektar lens

Kodak Cine Ektar II 25mm

I had a rare lull during my lunch break today so I thought it would be a good opportunity to take out my GH1 and to test out how the indiSYSTEM SNAP! Gear and Collar work using the Kodak Ektar II 25mm f/1.4 c-mount lens. It's a very small cine c-mount and with the new SNAP! Gear and Collar you can even pull focus on this little lens.

The footage is basic street scenes near my work in Center City Philadelphia. I wanted to basically test wide open at f/1.4 just to see the lens sharpness and light fall off as well as how well you can pull focus with this system.

I had a 52mm homemade B+W variable ND filter which I was able to use on the lens with a step up ring to help control my exposure.

For those who want to play with this Ektar II 25mm you'll definitely need a 30mm step up ring for this lens

I literally tried several filters to find the right size and after several months and several returns later I lucked out and found out that 30mm is the filter size for this Ektar II 25mm lens. There's no info. on the web at all on this so I had to figure this out on my own. I'll soon post a listing of filters sizes for the c-mount lenses that I currently own to help those who want to try this similar setup with their own c-mount lenses.

I'm very pleased and surprised that you can even pull focus with this little lens. Once you set it up properly the SNAP! Gear and Collar is fairly secure and it really allows you far more control allowing you to achieve repeatable focus pulls.  One thing that I noticed is that it takes about one to two full rotations to actually go from close focus to infinity depending of course where your subject matter is so that's something to consider when using this particular ektar lens. I'd also recommend that you tighten the camera down to whatever plate you are using in order to prevent the camera from moving and your SNAP! Gear from slipping from the follow focus gears.

In general, the Ektar II 25mm has a unique character to it. Sure it has your usual light fall off and c-mount vignetting but it does give you the old school feel. It's corner sharpness is rather so so to me but for those who are looking to use this lens to invoke the nostaligic past that may not be so bad. Again, I was shooting everything completely wide open so that would change of course by stopping down.

I do want to do a few more tests with this lens just to see if the step ring and ND filter is creating that extra light fall off. For a first test I'm really impressed that this could even be a possibiloity. It's not bad. And really, it's so lowprofile and lightweight that it makes it fun to shoot. The fact that we have something like the SNAP! gear and collar to be able to do this fairly economicaly is also quite attractive. You can buy a 70mm SNAP gear and then have a number of SNAP! Collars depending on the lens you are using. I look forward to more c-mount movie makers in m4/3!

Ektar II Snap Gear Demo

NEW indiSYSTEM SNAP! Gear & Collar Demo

I'm wanted to post this quick demo using the new indiSYSTEM SNAP! Gear and Collar on a Kodak Cine Ektar II 25mm f/1.4 c-mount lens. I've been talking with Tim Ovel from indiSYSTEM about creating a geared solution for cine c-mount lenses and the SNAP! collar was a very simple addition to the SNAP! Gear and will work with most c-mount lenses. I gave Tim the front lens diameter of some of my lenses and he constructed a SNAP! collar that would essentially fit into the SNAP! Gear. With the help of some "squish" between the lens and the collar, the setup works very nicely and gives a nice secure geared fit.

This is just a simple demo that I did very late at night so please forgive the uncleaned lens of the footage but I wanted to show folks how the SNAP! Gear and Collar fit on the lens and it's use with a follow focus. Actual footage is currently being edited and will follow shortly.

Overall, pulling focus is very smooth with this system and here are a few key points to consider to use this with your lenses.

Key points for a successful SNAP! Gear and Collar setup:

  1. The space between the SNAP! Collar and your lens should not be more than 7mm. Anything larger does not give you a secure fit. I've done a number of tests and it seems the ideal is to have 2-3mm of space but no larger than 7mm. Again, this space is pre-squish material.
  2. C-mounts with focal rings at the front or middle of the lens work best. Though I have tested a Cine Nikkor 10mm where the focal ring is at the rear of the lens but you have to turn the gear at an angle in order to make it work. Surprisingly it still works well. I'll be doing more testing to see if this technique works on other lenses where the focal ring is at the rear of the lens. Again, this is more for clearance of the gear and the camera.
  3. Take the time to test out the "squish". The best technique is to place "squish" between the lens and the collar first and then compress the SNAP! gear and collar together with the lens. There should not be any play with the lens, if there is some play then you may even need to place a tiny bit of "squish" between the collar and the actual SNAP! gear itself.
  4. Once the SNAP! Gear and Collar is secured to the lens, rotate the SNAP! Gear back and forth making sure that the gear does not slip. You should be able to firmly spin that gear from close focus (MFD) to infinity and back again with no problem.
  5. Make sure you choose lenses that have a smooth focus ring, you may need to find a lens repair guy to overhaul your lens and use a light grease on your focusing helicoid. Lenses with rough focus will force the gear to work harder and with the added torque the lens will unscrew itself from the mount.

I'll be posting some sample footage later this week to show real world usage of the SNAP! Gear and Collar on c-mount lenses. It has been extremely fun to use and with the new Panasonic AG-AF100 micro 4/3 camera just around the corner I think the reality of using c-mount legacy lenses and these SNAP! Gear and Collars will be extraordinary and a must. The exciting thing is that we don't need to wait for that camera we can use it now with the Panasonic GH1. The reality of a digital 16mm world using old school beautiful c-mount lenses is a dream come true.

indiSYSTEM Snap Gear Ektar 25mm

indiSYSTEM SNAP! Gear Collar

Yes! It's true people. I couldn't believe it until I tried it out myself. We have a pretty remarkable solution for pulling focus on a good number of cine c-mount lenses and so far the results have been very solid with the new indiSYSTEM SNAP! Collar. Not for your dog, for your smaller lenses! It's a beautiful thing.

For many c-mount lens users using the m4/3 system can be rewarding but a little challenging. The issues of the smaller image circle for m4/3 use and vignetting make it not ideal by many but there's a lot to be said about the character of these lenses. I think they are still worthy of being used especially for still photography but also for movie making. One of the hurdles of using these lenses to make movies with a camera like the GH1 is that it is so difficult to pull focus because the lenses are small making it impossible for subtle focus changes. When you have a smaller c-mount lens on this camera any slight movement focusing your lens will show up on screen and effect your image in a very big way.

SNAP! Gear with Collar and GH1

That's why currently the main folks who use c-mount lenses with the m4/3 system are still photography folks because they can live with the focusing annoyances while still getting some pretty amazing images out of these little lenses. But most of these c-mount lenses were made to shoot moving images and I'm happy to say we may be breathing a bit of movie life into these old film lenses once again.

Tim Ovel from indiSYSTEM has come up with a pretty darn good solution for those who want to pull focus with a gear and a follow focus using cine c-mount lenses with his new SNAP! Gear Collar. The piece fits on the lens like a collar and is slipped on and secured to a 70mm SNAP! gear. It's that simple. Once SNAP! gear snaps together, It's not going anywhere. The magnets are super strong. I tested this several times by rotating the gear back and forth by hand pretty strongly and the gear stays on nice and strong.

Part of this solution came out of some tests that I was doing with the SNAP! gear. Over all, I've been pretty impressed with the SNAP! gears and I was brainstorming with Tim on how the SNAP! gear can be modified to accept smaller lenses. Ideally, it would be great to get some smaller SNAP! gear sizes from the 35mm to 50mm range but it would be fairly expensive so Tim came up with a few alternative solutions. In our first test, Tim sent me some very sturdy foam and I tried to cut out and create an insert between the 70mm gear and the lenses but it did not work. The foam did not have any center support and the lens would basically slip out from the gear whenever I pulled focus. Then Tim had a great idea of creating smaller diameter slips or collars that would essential fit snugly between a SNAP! 70mm gear and the lens being used. He created a few samples in the shop and sent a few out to me. I tried it and was really blown away. It securely slipped into the 70mm SNAP! and like a dog collar securely fit around the lens with a very snug secure fit. We had ourselves a winner!

SNAP opened showing collar interior with GH1

Side View SNAP! Gear and Collar with GH1

 

SNAP!  Gear half on GH1

 

The pictures in this post demonstrate the use of the collar with Kodak Cine Ektar lenses. Theses are older 16mm lenses that were made by Kodak and used on their Cine-Kodak Special II between 1948 and 1961. From talking to folks like Steve Serota and others who grew up with these lenses, the Cine Ektars were some of the best c-mount lenses made in the U.S. for 16mm film cameras. These lenses have more recently been growing in popularity with the m4/3 system because they are one of the best lenses to focus with for still camera use. Also, on the Ektar 25mm 1.4 and even smaller Ektar II 25mm 1.4 the focus ring is on the very front of the lens which is ideal for using the SNAP! collar.

SNAP! Gear & Collar with Ektar 25 to 15mm converterCloseup of SNAP! magnet and squishSNAP! Gear with Ektar 25mm with 15mm converter

Here's some brief tips using the SNAP! Collar with the 70mm SNAP! Gear

Ektar 15mm converter on SNAP! GearSNAP! Close up of Ektar 15mm converter

1) Make sure you chose a collar that allows no more than 7mm of space between the collar and the lens you intend to use. To fill the gap between the lens and the collar Tim provides you with 5mm and 1mm "squish" which is like a spongy tape with sticky adhesive on one side. The squish fits on the inside collar to hold your lens in place. In my tests, a space between 7mm and smaller gives the best secure feel for your lens. You can place two strips of 5mm squish on top of each other but from my tests it's much better if you don't.

SNAP! and collar with "squish"

 

2) Place a 1mm strip of squish on the inside of the 70mm gear where the collar slips into the SNAP! gear if you find the collar more snug. When you snap the gear together the collar should feel a tiny bit larger and when you squish the gear together you'll see the magnets engage and the squish will compress and tighten the collar and your lens.

SNAP! and Collar layout

3) This is all based on trail and error depending on your lens and the collar size. Always start placing the squish on the inside collar first and place the collar over the lens and see if it fits your lens properly then slip the collar into the 70mm gear. If it's loose then put some 1mm squish on the inside of the 70mm gear. If it's too tight you can trim the squish down with a fine pair of scissors.

Twist Test SNAP gear and Ektar 25mm 1.4

 

4) When you have the SNAP! gear and collar on your c-mount lens before you place it on your camera make sure that you do the twist test. Turn the gear firmly back and forth to make sure the gear is aligned properly and is nice and snug and secure. You should do it fairly firm and fast holding the lens in your hand and rotating the gear. If it is secure then that gear will not move. It should not slip or move from your lens. If you do see a problem that then you need a little extra squish.

 

Ektar 25mm 1.4 with GH1Ektar 24mm 1.4 with SNAP! Gear and Collar on GH1

The ideal lenses to use are lenses that have a focus ring on the front of the lens because the SNAP! gear must clear the GH1 body but there are some lenses that will still work where the focal ring rests on the middle of the lens. So far the Kodak Cine Ektars are a great fit but some other lenses work very well too including the Computar 25mm f/1.3 and Yvar 75mm f/2.5 lens. One zoom lens that works perfectly that I was not expecting to work was the Angenieux Zoom Type L2 and Type L3 1:2.2/17-68. I wasn't expecting this lens to work because the lens rotates far forward but the extra width of the SNAP! gear give enough room togo from MFT to infinity. Iit was made for this lens and works beautifully.

I'll be posting footage and a demo soon. My computer was out of commission this weekend so I am a bit delayed but for now enjoy these pics. Trust me it works.

These are definitely exciting times to see these old lenses being used in this way. I think the indiSYSTEM SNAP! gear and collar can be exciting for filmmakers who want to use c-mounts and other small lenses and I think for still photographers may also think about using the SNAP! gear and collar by itself because it is far easier to focus with the larger wheel than off the lens. There's a little more torque and you have much more control over focusing just using the gear as without a follow focus. It really works well and helps make focusing smooth and easy with these c-mount lenses for the very first time.

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